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newtown united. there is not necessarily people who have been politically active in the past or who have had any experience trying to change policies or get certain law enacted. but some members of newtown united headed to washington today. they took the day off from their jobs. they woke up at dawn. they drove to washington to go meet with members of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. newtown united, a group of people at the epicenter of national tragedy. one of the parents who traveled to washington today was lucky enough to have his child, who attends sandy hook elementary come home from that school on friday. but he said today that he is taking action now in the wake of the shootings because he does not think the next time it should just depend on luck. >> every time something like columbine, virginia tech were happening, i would avert my eyes, and i will still think that something will be done. but all those believes were shattered on friday. and now i think we all need to speak up. >>
newtown united. there is not necessarily people who have been politically active in the past or who have had any experience trying to change policies or get certain law enacted. but some members of newtown united headed to washington today. they took the day off from their jobs. they woke up at dawn. they drove to washington to go meet with members of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. newtown united, a group of people at the epicenter of national tragedy. one of the parents who...
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they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and prevent other communities from ever having to live their nightmare. this morning, we are putting guns in focus. bill toomey help put together the group called newtown united. good morning to both of you. bill, to you first, i want to ask how you, your friends, your neighbors and your community is doing this morning. >> well, we're doing as well as could be expected, randi. it's been really hard on the community as you might imagine. but, you know, we're trying to work through all the different emotions. but this morning, we're doing okay. >> well, i know you're channeling some of those emotions into good work. and you had a meeting this week. and during your meeting, senator richard blumenthal and chris murphy said time wasn't on your side. did they explain what they meant by that? >> yes, they did. and we were very fortunate to have the senator and senator-elect join us this week. we had a series of meetings to try to begin a conversation in
they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and prevent other communities from ever having to live their nightmare. this morning, we are putting guns in focus. bill toomey help put together the group called newtown united. good morning to both of you. bill, to you first, i want to ask how you, your friends, your neighbors and your community is doing this morning. >> well, we're doing as well as could be expected, randi. it's been really hard on the community...
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the question is he is coming to the town of newtown, the president of the united states. again, we don't discuss security for the president of the united states. suffice it to say significant security will be in place. no, sir. no time frame has been determined. >> are you making progress in determining.... >> we're pleased with the work that we're making. we're pleased with the progress we're making. this teed us on process, it will take many, many man-hours to put this picture together. the minute we have it, our objective is to make sure that you and members of the public receive that information as quickly as possible. we have a motive or motive we are prepared to discuss, that cannot happen. we just don't have that. i would again, i don't want to discuss the crime scene at all. we did seize a great deal of evidence. our detectives have executed numerous search warrants in this case. we do not detail the c of what we seize in any criminal investigation. i can toll you we were successful in seize ago great deal of information. all that evidence needs to be analyzed and
the question is he is coming to the town of newtown, the president of the united states. again, we don't discuss security for the president of the united states. suffice it to say significant security will be in place. no, sir. no time frame has been determined. >> are you making progress in determining.... >> we're pleased with the work that we're making. we're pleased with the progress we're making. this teed us on process, it will take many, many man-hours to put this picture...
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united baptist church. you see the president looking on in the auditorium. ♪ >> . [singing prayer] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in the name of god, compassionate and merciful. the muslim community in newtown, connecticut, and the nation join with our fellow americans grieving for those who died in this senseless tragedy and praying for them and their families. we ask god to grant those lost a special place in paradise and we ask their families to be granted the strength to endure the unendurable. it is in such times of almost unbearable loss that we seek the comfort with our creator and that artificial divisions of faith fall away to reveal a nation of mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, all united in a desire to bring renewed hope. the koran, text tells us that god's mercy and compassion are without limits and always available for those who ask. god says when my servants question you about me, tell me that i am here. i answer the prayer of every person who calls on me. chapter 2, verse 186.
united baptist church. you see the president looking on in the auditorium. ♪ >> . [singing prayer] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in the name of god, compassionate and merciful. the muslim community in newtown, connecticut, and the nation join with our fellow americans grieving for those who died in this senseless tragedy and praying for them and their families. we ask god to grant those lost a special place in paradise and we ask their families to be granted the strength to endure the...
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united baptist church. you see the president looking on in the auditorium. ♪ >> . [singing prayer] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in the name of god, compassionate and merciful. the muslim community in newtown, connecticut, and the nation join with our fellow americans grieving for those who died in this senseless tragedy and praying for them and their families. we ask god to grant those lost a special place in paradise and we ask their families to be granted the strength to endure the unendurable. it is in such times of almost unbearable loss that we seek the comfort with our creator and that artificial divisions of faith fall away to reveal a nation of mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, all united in a desire to bring renewed hope. the koran, text tells us that god's mercy and compassion are without limits and always available for those who ask. god says when my servants question you about me, tell me that i am here. i answer the prayer of every person who calls on me. chapter 2, verse 186.
united baptist church. you see the president looking on in the auditorium. ♪ >> . [singing prayer] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in the name of god, compassionate and merciful. the muslim community in newtown, connecticut, and the nation join with our fellow americans grieving for those who died in this senseless tragedy and praying for them and their families. we ask god to grant those lost a special place in paradise and we ask their families to be granted the strength to endure the...
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there is a group now that has formed in newtown, my husband and i are a part of called newtown united. i very much tonight would like to ask the nation to join us. we are not looking -- like he said, we're not looking to ban guns, what we're looking for is a civil discussion on gun control, mental health and school safety and school facilities, so that we as a nation can work together very, very civilly to come up with a solution. what andre said, that it's not partisan, is exactly how we feel. what i would like is all the people around the country that are contacting me, my friends across the country, andre's friends across the country. all my other friends across the country to join us. if they want to do that, we have a facebook page newtown united, they should jump on that and join us, we can create a critical mass to show washington that we're serious about this. ween watt them to work together. >> you were saying today, you have been going to wakes and funerals all day long. >> yes, all day. >> all day long? >> my husband coined a term which is awful, an assembly line of wakes a
there is a group now that has formed in newtown, my husband and i are a part of called newtown united. i very much tonight would like to ask the nation to join us. we are not looking -- like he said, we're not looking to ban guns, what we're looking for is a civil discussion on gun control, mental health and school safety and school facilities, so that we as a nation can work together very, very civilly to come up with a solution. what andre said, that it's not partisan, is exactly how we feel....
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rampage that left 27 people dead, including 20 young children, in newtown, connecticut. all of the children are aged 6 and 7. the gunman, 20-year-old adam lanza, shot his mother dead at their home before driving to the sandy hook elementary school and forcing his way inside. armed with high-powered rifle, two handguns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, lanza shot up to first grade classrooms before taking his own life as police arrived at the scene. lanza still had hundreds of additional rounds of ammo and another weapon in his car, suggesting he would carry out more shootings had the police not closed again. 12 of the victims were girls, eight were boys. all six of the adult victims were women. the school victims all appeared to have suffered multiple gunshot wounds. connecticut's chief medical examiner, dr. wayne carver, called the crime scene the worst he had ever witnessed. >> i have been at this for a third of a century, and my sensibilities may not be the average man, but this probably is the worst i have seen or the worst that i know of any of my colleagues hav
rampage that left 27 people dead, including 20 young children, in newtown, connecticut. all of the children are aged 6 and 7. the gunman, 20-year-old adam lanza, shot his mother dead at their home before driving to the sandy hook elementary school and forcing his way inside. armed with high-powered rifle, two handguns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, lanza shot up to first grade classrooms before taking his own life as police arrived at the scene. lanza still had hundreds of additional...
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and the newtown community heal. mary ann rafferty, fox news. >>> director quintin car ran tino talks about his movie. >> we are stationed in italy. we would like to wish our family and friends merry christmas and happy new year. >>> we are back with a look at jango unchained. kevin mccarthy talked to the director about how his past movies may have influenced his latest film. >> i have to say i love seeing a film set in the deep south but in the spaghetti western genre. it feels like these characters could exist in any genre. you look at alabama's reference, if jango were dropped in any one of your films in any particular scene, which would you have the most fun interacting. >> interesting. i could see marcellus in pulp fix, him being one of the guys. jewels, vincent and jango. >> i love the film you put inside your movies. clarence a street fighter or her watching better tomorrow too or clutch cargo in pulp fix. 50 years down the line, if a film comes out and they want to put one of your films on tv, one of your
and the newtown community heal. mary ann rafferty, fox news. >>> director quintin car ran tino talks about his movie. >> we are stationed in italy. we would like to wish our family and friends merry christmas and happy new year. >>> we are back with a look at jango unchained. kevin mccarthy talked to the director about how his past movies may have influenced his latest film. >> i have to say i love seeing a film set in the deep south but in the spaghetti western...
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. >> reporter: a new grass roots group, newtown united, sent a delegation to washington tuesday to meet with the brady campaign to prevent gun violence and families of victims of the 1999 shooting at columbine high school. >> these people here before you, because they refuse to be statistics. they've been through hell and back. and they don't want it to happen to the rest of you. >> reporter: funerals began monday for the 20 children and six adults killed. tuesday, families said their final goodbyes to two more 6- year-olds. jessica ricos and james matioli. today the medical examiner is releasing new information about the suspected shooter and his mother saying at this point no one has claimed their bodies. he also says the mother was shot four times in the head, tori. while she was sleeping. >> all right, thank you in newtown connecticut, thank you. >>> and here in the bay area, there are several candlelight vigils scheduled for the victims in connecticut. tonight, in pleasanton, people will gather at the amrel park at 6:00. and tomorrow in fairfield, the vigil is planned at the sikh t
. >> reporter: a new grass roots group, newtown united, sent a delegation to washington tuesday to meet with the brady campaign to prevent gun violence and families of victims of the 1999 shooting at columbine high school. >> these people here before you, because they refuse to be statistics. they've been through hell and back. and they don't want it to happen to the rest of you. >> reporter: funerals began monday for the 20 children and six adults killed. tuesday, families...
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barack obama is pledging to take action, a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating gun legislation. >> if we don't follow up on this their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: nancy lanza had just returned from a short trip to a luxury resort to new hampshire. in recent years, she felt comfortable in leaving her son at home unsupervised. >> and we'll see a total of 6 funerals and tomorrow that will be a day of mourning. church bells will be running 26 times for each victim at 9:30 a.m., the exact same time the shooting happened, back to you. >>> members of the sikh community came together to remember the victims of the newtown shootings. earlier they were hit with a similar tragedy, when a man killed 6 people before shooting himself. >>> and for victim of the newtown connecticut shootings, the event begins at justin herman plaza. those who attend are asked to bring an unwrapped teddy bear. >>> a secret settlement has been reached over the late artist's multi- million dollar estate. it remains unclear who will get the mansion. he willed his estate to her in a barely legible note. kinkai
barack obama is pledging to take action, a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating gun legislation. >> if we don't follow up on this their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: nancy lanza had just returned from a short trip to a luxury resort to new hampshire. in recent years, she felt comfortable in leaving her son at home unsupervised. >> and we'll see a total of 6 funerals and tomorrow that will be a day of mourning. church bells will be running 26 times for each...
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obama giving his remarks in newtown, connecticut, offering love and prayers of a nation. he said the nation is left with some tough questions. the first job of a nation is to keep our children safe, and that's how we as a society will be judged. he said if we ask ourselves if we are doing our job, the answer is no. he also said this is the fourth time in his presidency he's had to address mourners at a mass shooting, and he said the time to make some changes. he said he is going to use whatever power he has in his presidency to work with law enforcement and legislators to prevent these tragedies, and as you just heard, he ended his remarks with reading the names of all 20 children who are victims of the newtown massacre. he made it very clear there is a lot of work to be done. >>> we're going to change gears right now. julie watts is covering the weather fours. she has the forecast. julie. >> well, certainly drizzle out there today, and showers already in the north bay. he let's get right to hi-def doppler. not a whole lot of activity just yet but when you take a closer l
obama giving his remarks in newtown, connecticut, offering love and prayers of a nation. he said the nation is left with some tough questions. the first job of a nation is to keep our children safe, and that's how we as a society will be judged. he said if we ask ourselves if we are doing our job, the answer is no. he also said this is the fourth time in his presidency he's had to address mourners at a mass shooting, and he said the time to make some changes. he said he is going to use whatever...
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this is the newtown united methodist church. this where a lot of media camp out. they give preschool classes, ages two to six. there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it will be open for 24 fours for as long as they need it some of the members of the church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died. anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. for more information on how you can help those affected by the shooting, you can go to cnn.com/impact. that's a live makeshift member yat, a vigil for the people who lost their lives. this one is not far from where i am. you see the police car right there on the hill. that's the school. that's the road that leads to the school here. and there are 26 candles for every person who died inside of that school. you're looking at a square it newtown, connecticut, live pictures right now. trying to make sense of a massacre, we're going to look at the quiet, affluent neighborhood of sandy look and talk with people who knew the young man who is
this is the newtown united methodist church. this where a lot of media camp out. they give preschool classes, ages two to six. there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it will be open for 24 fours for as long as they need it some of the members of the church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died. anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. for more information on how you can help those affected by...
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. >> newtown united is calling for better gun control. the goal is to prevent a similar nightmare from striking another community. we do something now and take some action be proactive. >> some get ready to go back to school on tuesday parents learned about new precautions that will be in place there will be policed and grief counselors present. >> the gun control debate is heating up closer to home, and illinois senator and the governor are all calling for stricter gun control laws. >> it did not take long for gun control advocates to speak up in the state of illinois is an issue for the gun advocates behind me something that strikes at the heart of a constitutional right. the issue of today is we need to ban assault weapons in illinois. >> state democrats were reading off the same script monday reacting to the connecticut school shooting. assault weapons have been used over and over again to kill innocent human beings in our state and elsewhere and we have to do something about it. at rainbow push headquarters denied a vigil, rev. jesse
. >> newtown united is calling for better gun control. the goal is to prevent a similar nightmare from striking another community. we do something now and take some action be proactive. >> some get ready to go back to school on tuesday parents learned about new precautions that will be in place there will be policed and grief counselors present. >> the gun control debate is heating up closer to home, and illinois senator and the governor are all calling for stricter gun...
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. >> reporter: newtown united is calling for better gun control. it plans to send a delegation to washington on tuesday. >> we have the benefit and the miss fortune of being on -- misfortune of being on the national stage right now. this is a real opportunity for us to make a statement. >> reporter: schools will reopen tuesday but sandy hook elementary will be closed till further notice. >> one of the victims in the newtown shooting spree has a daughter that attends georgetown university. katie sherlach is a ph.d. candidate in chemistry. her mom was the school psychologist at sandy hook elementary and one of the heroes who tried to stop the gunman. they have lunched a fund raising campaign with the goal of collecting at least $5,000 for the sherlach family. >>> advocates for gun control are hoping that the actions of newtown is enough to spark debate. >> reporter: i'm kristin fish other capitol hill where today about 200 people marched to the nra headquarters with this message. >> let's stop all the assault weapons. >> i'm here because i'm tired of
. >> reporter: newtown united is calling for better gun control. it plans to send a delegation to washington on tuesday. >> we have the benefit and the miss fortune of being on -- misfortune of being on the national stage right now. this is a real opportunity for us to make a statement. >> reporter: schools will reopen tuesday but sandy hook elementary will be closed till further notice. >> one of the victims in the newtown shooting spree has a daughter that attends...
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if they want to do that, we have a facebook page, newtown united. they should jump on that and join us in that so we can create a critical mass to show washington that we're serious about this. we want them to work together. >> you were saying today you left the house at 9:00 a.m. this morning. you haven't been home. you've been going wakes and funerals. >> all day. >> all day long. >> my husband coined a term which is awful, but it's an assembly line of wakes and funerals. we can't figure out which one to go to we have to divide and conquer. the teachers, the sandy hook teachers are struggling trying to get to as many as possible. that's true for a lot of the parents, anyone associated, we're all struggling with that. >> you are often waiting two hours to get in to pay your respects. two to five hours. it's freezing cold. yesterday it was raining. that is a wonderful thing because so many people are coming out to support the families. and then part of the reason you're waiting, too, is our town is gridlocked with traffic from people from out of tow
if they want to do that, we have a facebook page, newtown united. they should jump on that and join us in that so we can create a critical mass to show washington that we're serious about this. we want them to work together. >> you were saying today you left the house at 9:00 a.m. this morning. you haven't been home. you've been going wakes and funerals. >> all day. >> all day long. >> my husband coined a term which is awful, but it's an assembly line of wakes and...
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we have learned a newly formed organization called newtown united will send a delegation to dc. the group is calling for better gun control to prevent a similar tragedy from this happening in another community. hundreds of people marched from capitol hill to the national rifeel association -- rifeel association's dc -- rifle association's dc office. michael bloomberg joined victims of gun violence to address the issue how easy it is to get being a stows gun. even long time supporters of gun rights say it's time to talk about regulating guns e joe manchin is open to discussing restricts of assault weapons like the one used in the -- restrictions of assault weapons like the one used in the shooting. >> i don't know anyone in the hunting or sporting arena that uses a assault rifle or 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. >> reporter: and you can expect the gun control debate to return to annapolis when lawmakers head back to work in january for the new session. some legislators are calling for an all out ban on assault weapons in maryland. linda so, abc2 news. >>> remember fine -- fin
we have learned a newly formed organization called newtown united will send a delegation to dc. the group is calling for better gun control to prevent a similar tragedy from this happening in another community. hundreds of people marched from capitol hill to the national rifeel association -- rifeel association's dc -- rifle association's dc office. michael bloomberg joined victims of gun violence to address the issue how easy it is to get being a stows gun. even long time supporters of gun...
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newtown united and the goals for the organization. you mentioned having knew or met nancy lanza. can you give impressions of her from meeting her? >> it is a small town and a bunch of us play tuesday night ultimate frisbee in one of the local playing fields. we want to have a beer and we go to this place called my place. you have seen it on the news. nancy was i don't want to say a regular, but she was there and i chatted with her. a seemingly pleasant person and i'm sure she was. that's it. that's how small towns work, right? when i wait and saw i knew a number of people who lost a loved one, when the list came out, you said oh, no and realize the multiple connections you have to these people. that's how community works. as far as the group, newtown united, it's just a bunch of people who are so blessed and fortunate not to have lost a loved one and we have certainly lost friend who is have lost loved ones. this group we feel energized and bolden and helpless to some degree. we are trying to find a way through it and bringing in speaker who is can come and so many people reached
newtown united and the goals for the organization. you mentioned having knew or met nancy lanza. can you give impressions of her from meeting her? >> it is a small town and a bunch of us play tuesday night ultimate frisbee in one of the local playing fields. we want to have a beer and we go to this place called my place. you have seen it on the news. nancy was i don't want to say a regular, but she was there and i chatted with her. a seemingly pleasant person and i'm sure she was. that's...
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. >> reporter: a newly formed grass roots organization called newtown united will send a delegation to dc calling for better gun control to prevent a similar tragedy from happening in another community. hundreds marched from capitol hill to the national rifeel association dc's office yesterday. -- rifeel association rifeel association's dc office -- rifle association's dc office. even some long time supporters of gun rights like joe manch n say it's time to talk about regulating guns and says he is open to -- manchin says it's time to talk about regulating guns. boughtmore county police chief -- baltimore county police chief is calling for restriction on high capacity magazines. >> we also need a limit on high capacity ammunition magazines. no more than 10 rounds no more than 10 rounds. >> reporter: and you can expect the gun control debate to return to annapolis when lawmaker head back to work in january for the new session. some lawmakers are calling for an all out ban on assault weapons in maryland. linda so, abc2 news. >>> 5:40. another hot topic a dead loon approaching as -- deadl
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we do realize right now is they're holding the ems units, asking that no more come to the school. but at the danbury high school close by, we do not know whether these are students or whether these are administrators, whether these are teachers. but they are holding and asking that no more emsb brought there. we also understand they had other units requested by other towns but now they're being held back. we have three patients at danbury hospital. we got the first call for help about an hour and 20 minutes ago. and they are now saying to withhold anymore ems units. is this mean that they are close to understanding the breadth and depth of this emergency? >> i think you're right, richard, i think this may well be a situation that just transpired in a very manner of minutes. there are unconfirmed reports of injuries, as you suggest now, we have got confirmation in the hospital. we're told the shooting may have taken place in the main office and that at least one shooter may be down. again, everything appears to be in inundetermined at this time, but by 12 by stopping any further em
we do realize right now is they're holding the ems units, asking that no more come to the school. but at the danbury high school close by, we do not know whether these are students or whether these are administrators, whether these are teachers. but they are holding and asking that no more emsb brought there. we also understand they had other units requested by other towns but now they're being held back. we have three patients at danbury hospital. we got the first call for help about an hour...
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they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and preventing other communities to ever having to live their nightmare. i spoke with an organizer, bill toomey along with his daughter, sarah. >> we have learned from folks around the community and around the world that people were deeply touched by what happened here and they do not want these events to go -- to have happened in vain and we should really do whatever we can to lend our voice to the national debate on this issue around gun violence. it's not just about gun control. there are a lot of other issues associated with it. we want to bring people together to really make a difference to make sure we do whatever is necessary to protect our children. >> some of those voices you want to bring together and certainly that need to be heard are voices like your daughter right there, the young people who could be victims in these mass shootings. sierra, good morning to you. your school was on lockdown friday during this shooting at newtown at the
they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and preventing other communities to ever having to live their nightmare. i spoke with an organizer, bill toomey along with his daughter, sarah. >> we have learned from folks around the community and around the world that people were deeply touched by what happened here and they do not want these events to go -- to have happened in vain and we should really do whatever we can to lend our voice to the national debate...
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it is a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating sensible gun legislation. >> if we don't follow-up with this lead, we have failed them and their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: we learned days before the shooting nancy lanza had just returned from a luxury resort in new hampshire. she said she felt comfortable about leaving her son adam at home unsupervised. >> reporter: the governor has called for churches nationwide to ring their bills 26 times, one for each victim from sandy hook elementary school and that will happen at the exact time of the shooting 930 am m eastern time, that would be one week ago tomorrow. back to you -- 9:30 a.m. eastern time and that would be one week ago tomorrow. >>> and the night for newtown event will begin at the ice rink in justin herman plaza. all the items collected will be donated to local children in need. >>> members of the sikh community came to remember the victims of the school shooting and they mourned the lives lost in connecticut. earlier this year the sikh community was hit with a similar tragedy when a gunman opened fire on worshipers.
it is a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating sensible gun legislation. >> if we don't follow-up with this lead, we have failed them and their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: we learned days before the shooting nancy lanza had just returned from a luxury resort in new hampshire. she said she felt comfortable about leaving her son adam at home unsupervised. >> reporter: the governor has called for churches nationwide to ring their bills 26 times, one for each victim...
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there is a group now that has formed in newtown, my husband and i are apart of called newtown united. i very much tonight would like to ask the nation to join us. we are not, like we said, we are not looking to ban guns, we are looking for a civil discussion on gun control, mental health, school safety and school facilities so that we as a nation can work together to come up with a solution. what andre said is how we feel. all the people around the country, all of my other friends across the country to join us. we have a facebook page they should jump on that and we can create a critical mass some show washington to work together. >> you were saying today, you have been going to wakes and funerals all day long. >> my husband coined a term which is awful, an assembly line of wakes and funerals. we can't figure out which one to go to we have to divide and conquer. the sandy hook teachers are struggling trying to get to as many as possible. and that is true for many of the parents we are struggling with that. >> you are often waiting two hours to get into pay your respects. two to five h
there is a group now that has formed in newtown, my husband and i are apart of called newtown united. i very much tonight would like to ask the nation to join us. we are not, like we said, we are not looking to ban guns, we are looking for a civil discussion on gun control, mental health, school safety and school facilities so that we as a nation can work together to come up with a solution. what andre said is how we feel. all the people around the country, all of my other friends across the...
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newtown, connecticut is obviously home to one of the most horrific tragedies ever to occur in the united states, but the residents here don't want that to be the legacy. a group of residents called newtown united are coming together to discuss the issues at hand, gun control, mental health among them, trying to get political leaders to act and prevent anything like this happening any place else. the group invited kyung lah to attend that meeting. she joins us now. >> reporter: we're going to start to hear the grief in this service, the entire town mourning. when this group of residents want the president to hear is they do not want this to continue. they were invited into this intimate meeting, this group, where they all know a child who died in that classroom. they are heartbroken, but they are also frustrated and angry, and they want to do something. so what they are saying that, while the politicians are listening, while the national media is here, they want people to pay attention to the difficult issues. the difficult issues we often ignore, gun control, how to be taking care of one
newtown, connecticut is obviously home to one of the most horrific tragedies ever to occur in the united states, but the residents here don't want that to be the legacy. a group of residents called newtown united are coming together to discuss the issues at hand, gun control, mental health among them, trying to get political leaders to act and prevent anything like this happening any place else. the group invited kyung lah to attend that meeting. she joins us now. >> reporter: we're going...
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the united way has set up a sandy hook school fund. donations, as you can see right there on your screen, donations sent to the newtown savings bank 39 main street right here in newtown, connecticut. this fund will be used to help pay for the funerals of the victims, john. >>> police say they have found important evidence during their searches at the school and at the shooter's home. we also know now more about the actual shooting and what weapons were used in it. cnn national correspondent susan candiotti joins me now and, susan, what are we learning this morning? >> hi, john. well, we know one thing and that is that federal agents and other investigators who will be back out pounding out the streets today, chasing down leads, information they have that the suspected shooter in this case may have visited gun stores or gun ranges in the days before the attack. however, so far our sources tell us that those tips have not panned out. we also know that three additional guns have been found, according to our sources, at the home that the s
the united way has set up a sandy hook school fund. donations, as you can see right there on your screen, donations sent to the newtown savings bank 39 main street right here in newtown, connecticut. this fund will be used to help pay for the funerals of the victims, john. >>> police say they have found important evidence during their searches at the school and at the shooter's home. we also know now more about the actual shooting and what weapons were used in it. cnn national...
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. ♪ ♪ [bells ringing] megyn: well the bells tolled 26 times this morning in newtown, connecticut and countless other communities across the united states, noting each of the people killed at a connecticut elementary school exactly one week ago. in this morning's "wall street journal" peggy noonan tackled question how parents and children go from here. she writes, kids are often afraid of imaginary monsters like ones that supposedly live under their beds. she shares how a friend tolder, quote, what is so terrible for the little kids hear about newtown, that the dream monster is now real. joined by a group of parents, some of whom you will know as political analysts or from other fox news segments but all of whom have young children in a world where now we realize the monster is real. thank you all so much for being here. such a sad day for so many in the country. i know our viewers are feeling it because we were together a week ago exactly right now as we learned that it was in fact 18 or 20 children who had been killed. i feel it and i know you all feel it. and the question is now, a
. ♪ ♪ [bells ringing] megyn: well the bells tolled 26 times this morning in newtown, connecticut and countless other communities across the united states, noting each of the people killed at a connecticut elementary school exactly one week ago. in this morning's "wall street journal" peggy noonan tackled question how parents and children go from here. she writes, kids are often afraid of imaginary monsters like ones that supposedly live under their beds. she shares how a friend...
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>> the sense of helplessness is very real, but at the same time, i'm hearing from people here in newtown, particularly people in law enforcement, you know, i come to this issue and this place with a career in law enforcement 30 years as a federal prosecutor, united states attorney, as well as state attorney general for 20 years and my colleagues in law enforcement say to me you have to do something about assault weapons, high capacity magazines, both very instrumental in this crime and so there is a sense of helplessness but also a sense of mission that citizens on the streets, in the churches, are saying to me, we need to do something. it is a call to action. >> and do you feel that same call to action? because we've had a lot of these. i mean there was a young girl that died in tucson in the gabby giffords shooting, a lot of people that died, but a 9-year-old i think that died in that. we had a baby killed in the aurora theater. and this is sort of horrific beyond imagination because there's so many young people. we've heard this before. and there is -- you know, there are people sayin
>> the sense of helplessness is very real, but at the same time, i'm hearing from people here in newtown, particularly people in law enforcement, you know, i come to this issue and this place with a career in law enforcement 30 years as a federal prosecutor, united states attorney, as well as state attorney general for 20 years and my colleagues in law enforcement say to me you have to do something about assault weapons, high capacity magazines, both very instrumental in this crime and so...
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united, a group trying to put together essentially an advocacy infrastructure for when they want to talk. they want to move the conversation. the national conversation to where i think a majority of people in america want it to go, on all matters related to gun violence. it's going to be there for them. and there's so many things like that that are happening, whether it's a memorial for the children and the educators, all that's going to happen. this community is going to rally around and support these people in any direction that they want us to go. >> and outside the community too. lots of support. robert cox writes for reuters "breaking views," and he's also a newtowner. >>> "outfront," next, student who survived a mass shooting in minnesota seven years ago drive to newtown, connecticut, to be with the sandy hook survivors. we'll tell you what they presented to the staff and students to help them cope. we remember the victims of sandy hook that lost their lives a week ago. i'm glad we got cdw and cisco to design our data center. yeah, the cisco ucsc series server, with the intel
united, a group trying to put together essentially an advocacy infrastructure for when they want to talk. they want to move the conversation. the national conversation to where i think a majority of people in america want it to go, on all matters related to gun violence. it's going to be there for them. and there's so many things like that that are happening, whether it's a memorial for the children and the educators, all that's going to happen. this community is going to rally around and...
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. >> reporter: connecticut senator bloomenthal and chris murphy met with a group called newtown united who came together after the shooting to push for a ban on assault weapons. they may have a new supporter in president obama. he wants new laws to try to prevent another tragedy like the one at sandy hook elementary school. >> the fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence. >> as head of the president's task force, vice president biden will look into banning assault weapons. but gun advocates say that's not necessary. >> there are lots of things we can do to make sure that only the right people have firearms. >> reporter: there will be at least nine more funerals or viewings today. on wednesday, each of the victims was remembered in his own special way. ♪ [ music ] >> reporter: paul simon sang at the funeral for 27-year-old teacher victoria soto. she died trying to protect her first grade students. >> she gave her life for those kids. it breaks my heart. >> reporter: 7-year-old daniel barden wanted to be a firefighter when he g
. >> reporter: connecticut senator bloomenthal and chris murphy met with a group called newtown united who came together after the shooting to push for a ban on assault weapons. they may have a new supporter in president obama. he wants new laws to try to prevent another tragedy like the one at sandy hook elementary school. >> the fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence. >> as head of the president's task force, vice...
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he, like the president of the united states on friday, choked back tears. this is a very sad day, of raw emotion here in newtown, connecticut, as families begin burying the children killed in the massacre at the sandy hook elementary school right down the road from where we are right now. we're watching all of this unfold, and the pain is clearly, clearly evident. while every day here in new town is sad, today, it's especially, it's especially sad. this afternoon, the first funerals were held for victims of the elementary school massacre. connecticut's governor, you just saw him here, he attended one of the services today, and he summed it up this way, and i'm quoting him, you see little coffins and your heart starts to ache. as this town and the nation tries to come to grips with this huge, huge tragedy, the investigation is focusing in on the question why. some of the answers may come from a computer found in the home where the gunman, adam lanza, lived with his mother. cnn's national correspondent deborah feyerick is keeping track of the latest developme
he, like the president of the united states on friday, choked back tears. this is a very sad day, of raw emotion here in newtown, connecticut, as families begin burying the children killed in the massacre at the sandy hook elementary school right down the road from where we are right now. we're watching all of this unfold, and the pain is clearly, clearly evident. while every day here in new town is sad, today, it's especially, it's especially sad. this afternoon, the first funerals were held...
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newt nu newtown is warming people's hearts. son yeas contributing to a fund for children with aids in malwali. newtown is kindling kindness in her and millions more. >> when i first heard of the tragedy it gave me a really heavy heart. i think this is a we to show people that -- the world is not all evil. >> it first began with nbc's ann curry posing the question on twitter -- what if we all did something nice. 20 nice somethings to honor the children or 26 acts of kindness to include the teachers lost. the hash tag began trending and people are responding. this d.c. resident tweeted. her 3-year-old donated two toys for tots. or this person, who paid for some one else's breakfast. at your nearest post office, there is a way for you to send condolences, directly to newtown. >> i thought a great idea. >> this po box now offers a way for the world to comfort the grief stricken town. >> i think it is fantastic to give people -- a way to focus their, sympathy for everyone up there. >> reporter: now there are two big questions, to go
newt nu newtown is warming people's hearts. son yeas contributing to a fund for children with aids in malwali. newtown is kindling kindness in her and millions more. >> when i first heard of the tragedy it gave me a really heavy heart. i think this is a we to show people that -- the world is not all evil. >> it first began with nbc's ann curry posing the question on twitter -- what if we all did something nice. 20 nice somethings to honor the children or 26 acts of kindness to...
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i now introduce the president of the united states. >> thank you. thank you. thank you, governor. to all the families, first responders, to the community of newtown, clergy, guests, scripture tells us to not lose hea heart. though outwardly we are wasting away, inwardly we are being renewed day by day. for our light and momentary troubles are achieving us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all, so we fix our eyes not on what is seen but on what is unseen. since what is seen is temporary but what is unseen is eternal, for we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed we have a building from god, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. we gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and 6 remarkable adults. they lost their lives in a school that could have been any school. in a quiet town full of good and decent people that could be any town in america. here in newtown, i come to offer the love and prayers of a nation. i am very mindful that mere words cannot match the depths of your sorrow nor can they heal your wounded hearts. i can only hope it he
i now introduce the president of the united states. >> thank you. thank you. thank you, governor. to all the families, first responders, to the community of newtown, clergy, guests, scripture tells us to not lose hea heart. though outwardly we are wasting away, inwardly we are being renewed day by day. for our light and momentary troubles are achieving us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all, so we fix our eyes not on what is seen but on what is unseen. since what is seen is...
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and finally, speaker of the "the horror in newtown seems unbearable, but we will lock arms and unite as citizens, for that is how we rise above evil". >>pam: the close knit community of new town connecticut gather in the wake of the tragedy. the church service was so packed members of the congregation had to stand outside of the church. there were so mentee that wanted to pray and find a spiritual response there were so-many that wanted to pray with 20 children killed and six others killed. the suspect killed himself. and also of the suspects tils killed his own mother. we will continue to follow this as developments come upon a through this evening. we will have support for a scary, coming up.who will have sports with gary, coming up. >> welcome back everyone. the shooting in connecticut shook everyone today.including those in the sports world.warriors coach mark jackson asked about the stories... >> i have children. we take for granted it is such a tragedy waking up an entire community. it is a difficult time. >> raleigh, to talk about sports about and this really -- they battled b
and finally, speaker of the "the horror in newtown seems unbearable, but we will lock arms and unite as citizens, for that is how we rise above evil". >>pam: the close knit community of new town connecticut gather in the wake of the tragedy. the church service was so packed members of the congregation had to stand outside of the church. there were so mentee that wanted to pray and find a spiritual response there were so-many that wanted to pray with 20 children killed and six...
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margaret brennan is at the newtown united methodist church with more on that. good morning, margaret. >> reporter: good morning anthony. there are only a few homes here and now 27 lives to put to rest. only two children made it to the hospital before dying. the rest died at the school alongside their teacher and principal. 47-year-old dawn hochsprung was shot and killed alongside the children she cared for at sandy hook elementary school. parents remember her as a friend to the students. >> she was wonderful. always good to the kids always a smile on her face made you feel good when you were there. >> reporter: she joined the school in 2010. she kept an active twitter account posting updates on the school. she tweeted safety first at sandy hook. it's a beautiful day for our evacuation drill. so far we know the identities of three of her students. 7-year-old. emily parker who moved to connecticut with her family just a year ago and chase kowalski survived by his parents rebecca and steve. also among the dead school psychologist mary sherlock 56 years old. she pl
margaret brennan is at the newtown united methodist church with more on that. good morning, margaret. >> reporter: good morning anthony. there are only a few homes here and now 27 lives to put to rest. only two children made it to the hospital before dying. the rest died at the school alongside their teacher and principal. 47-year-old dawn hochsprung was shot and killed alongside the children she cared for at sandy hook elementary school. parents remember her as a friend to the students....
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as the president last night, newtown is not alone. >> yeah, it's everybody. it's every town. >> when you look at what the market's been doing you did make the right call last time around. like i said, you opened our eyes. we should have probably seen it coming. you were the one kind of laid it out for us. what do you think of what the fed has been doing? >> well, look, i mean the fed they made announcement, habit, what they said in front of me here, listen, you have a pretty good economy right now. you have an economy that has tilt winds instead of headwinds of housing and autos. you have an economy that's probably growing 2% give or take. question is, do you need the fed to do anything more? you know, it's a good question. why did they do this? and, you know, they basically have taken the mandate of full employment, and run with it. everything they're doing is to get this employment rate down or try to get this employment right down. the question you have to ask is what happens when they do that? you know, look, i mean, the last time i remember, and you guys
as the president last night, newtown is not alone. >> yeah, it's everybody. it's every town. >> when you look at what the market's been doing you did make the right call last time around. like i said, you opened our eyes. we should have probably seen it coming. you were the one kind of laid it out for us. what do you think of what the fed has been doing? >> well, look, i mean the fed they made announcement, habit, what they said in front of me here, listen, you have a pretty...
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we want something done about guns in the united states. the ravens finally got the victory they. >> heed to win the afc north crushing the giants 33-14. we will hear what the team has to say. and still have christmas shopping? you do know it's christmas eve right? don't worry you will have plenty of company out there today. thanks for joining us. it's christmas eve morning. i am megan pringle. charley has the day off but lynette charles is here and a lot of people are heading out to the malls or somewhere downtown in the community and they want to know how warm do they have to dress? >> and i am one of those people i hate to say. we all need to bundle up this morning. the temperatures are cold. and i say bundle up because once you get to the mall you will want to take off the coat when you roll up your sleeves to do the last-minute shopping. 30 in glenelg millersville at 27 and pylesville at 29. and as we check out maryland's most powerful radar, we are dry for right now. i have all five sweeps on and we are scanning the skies. throughout
we want something done about guns in the united states. the ravens finally got the victory they. >> heed to win the afc north crushing the giants 33-14. we will hear what the team has to say. and still have christmas shopping? you do know it's christmas eve right? don't worry you will have plenty of company out there today. thanks for joining us. it's christmas eve morning. i am megan pringle. charley has the day off but lynette charles is here and a lot of people are heading out to the...
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. >> reporter: there's a newly formed grass roots organization that's called newtown united. they will send people to dc today. they are calling for better gun control to prevent a similar tragedy from happening in another community. hundreds of people marched from capitol hill to the national rifle association's dc office yesterday. new york city mayor michael bloomberg joined victims of gun violence to address the ongoing issue of access to guns. even some long time supporters like gun rights for gun rights like west virginia senator joe manchen say it's time to talk about regulating guns. he says he is open to discussing restrictions of assault weapons like the one used in the newtown shooting. president obama is pledging action to prevent more tragedies and to save chirnlg in the future. -- children in the future. >> what choice do we have? are we prepared to say such violence visited on our children year after year after year is the price of our freedom? >> reporter: and here in maryland, you can expect the gun control debate to return to annapolis when lawmakers head ba
. >> reporter: there's a newly formed grass roots organization that's called newtown united. they will send people to dc today. they are calling for better gun control to prevent a similar tragedy from happening in another community. hundreds of people marched from capitol hill to the national rifle association's dc office yesterday. new york city mayor michael bloomberg joined victims of gun violence to address the ongoing issue of access to guns. even some long time supporters like gun...
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they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and prevent other communities from ever having to live their nightmare. bill toomey helped put together that group. and earlier, i spoke with him today and his daughter, sierra. i asked them if they have made any progress in their talks with politicians on the issue of gun control. >> we had a series of meetings, actually, to try and begin a conversation in the community around what happened and how we can take this terrible tragedy and turn it into something positive. so what we heard from the senators as well as some of our congressional -- the rest of our congressional delegation was that the moment in time is now. that the tide is turning in this country as it relates to gun violence and what we can do about it. and we want to try and bring the community together as quickly as possible to try and lend our voice to the national voice so that we can really make something meaningful happen out of this terrible event. >> and the name of your group
they call themselves newtown united. their mission, to reduce gun violence and prevent other communities from ever having to live their nightmare. bill toomey helped put together that group. and earlier, i spoke with him today and his daughter, sierra. i asked them if they have made any progress in their talks with politicians on the issue of gun control. >> we had a series of meetings, actually, to try and begin a conversation in the community around what happened and how we can take...
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. >> reporter: all over newtown, we saw them today. people from across america, the world, pouring in to show support. >> people from japan, cairo, egypt, france, poland. but everybody, even all over the united states here. >> reporter: from portland, oregon, 26 wreaths for each innocent life lost. and from sanford, north carolina, 26 christmas trees >> through this tragedy, i wanted them to feel love from all over. >> reporter: firefighter anthony carpenter helped line the trees along the entrance to sandy hook elementary. >> i would say within an hour, they were all decorated. >> reporter: from long island, new york, 26 ornaments. >> they are not alone. >> yeah. >> yeah, not alone. >> reporter: children from ft. stuart, georgia, sending toys to children in newtown in time for christmas. from all over the world, nearly 2 million people signing this card online, offing their condolences and love. free hot coffee for the whole town from los angeles. >> their lives will never be the same. i figure a cup of coffee goes a long way. >> repo
. >> reporter: all over newtown, we saw them today. people from across america, the world, pouring in to show support. >> people from japan, cairo, egypt, france, poland. but everybody, even all over the united states here. >> reporter: from portland, oregon, 26 wreaths for each innocent life lost. and from sanford, north carolina, 26 christmas trees >> through this tragedy, i wanted them to feel love from all over. >> reporter: firefighter anthony carpenter helped...
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this is the newtown united methodist church and where a lot of the media are camped out. there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it's going to be open more 24 hours for as long as they need it here. some of the members of that church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died, anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. after this shooting inside sandy hook elementary school, the safety issue will now be front and center at schools across the country. do classrooms need to be changed into panic rooms or as i've been saying earlier, can we make classrooms into mini prisons? it seems like what we may have to make our schools in order to be safe. i want to bring in lou palumbo. some schools already have roaming officers, metal detectors, officers roaming the hallways. what can we do to make our schools safer? do we need all of these measures in place? >> well, apparently based on this incident that took place up here yesterday, i guess you could support that argument. it's just unfort
this is the newtown united methodist church and where a lot of the media are camped out. there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it's going to be open more 24 hours for as long as they need it here. some of the members of that church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died, anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. after this shooting inside sandy hook elementary school, the safety issue will now be...
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a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating sensible gun legislation. >> if we don't follow their lead, we have failed them and their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: we have learned that the day before her death, nancy lanza the mother of gunman had returned from a short trip to. >> resort in new hampshire. she said she felt comfortable leaving her son adam lanza alone unsupervised. now investigators are still working on collecting evidence but for those who continue to ask the question, what was the motive, connecticut police think it could be months before they are ready to issue a final report on this investigation. back to you. >>> 6:48 a special vigil is being held to honor the connecticut shooting victims. the night for newtown event begins at the ice rink at justin herman plaza. those who attend are asking people to bring unwrapped teddy bears for children in need. >>> there warning to be careful after a woman was robbed. brian flores is in concord to tell us where the woman was when she was targeted, brian? >> reporter: yes, we are live here at the sun valley mall a
a newly formed group, newtown united is advocating sensible gun legislation. >> if we don't follow their lead, we have failed them and their deaths are in vain. >> reporter: we have learned that the day before her death, nancy lanza the mother of gunman had returned from a short trip to. >> resort in new hampshire. she said she felt comfortable leaving her son adam lanza alone unsupervised. now investigators are still working on collecting evidence but for those who...
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this is the newtown united methodist church and where a lot of the media are camped out. they give preschool classes, ages two to six, sadly some of those kids have died there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it's going to be open 24 hours for as long as they need it here. some of the members of that church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died, anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. after this shooting inside sandy hook elementary school, the safety issue will now be front and center at schools across the country. do classrooms need to be changed into panic rooms or as i've been saying earlier, can we make classrooms into mini prisons? it seems like what we may have to make our schools in order to be safe. i want to bring in lou palumbo. he is a former police officer and now the director of a lead intelligence based security firm some schools already have roaming officers, metal detectors, officers roaming the hallways. what can we do to make our schools safer? do we ne
this is the newtown united methodist church and where a lot of the media are camped out. they give preschool classes, ages two to six, sadly some of those kids have died there's the church behind me. it's been opened now for 24 hours. it's going to be open 24 hours for as long as they need it here. some of the members of that church died and anyone who wants to come by and pay their respects to the people who died, anyone who needs help from this church, they can come here and get it. after...
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, is what seems like the inevitability now that the next united states secretary of state is going to be massachusetts democratic senator john kerry. nbc news has been able to confirm that senator kerry will be nominated for that job by president obama likely sometime this week. senator kerry is not expected to face significant opposition in the senate. if he does become secretary of state, that, of course, would mean a special election in massachusetts for his senate seat. that has to happen 145 to 160 days after the seat becomes vacant. one of the mamz rising to the top of the list is a potential john kerry replacement in the senate is vicky kenny. vicky kennedy, the widow of the late senator ted kennedy. asked by local news outlets whether she might be up for this job, a spokeswoman for vicky kennedy said, "we have no comment on this at this time." in other words, stay tuned. finally, another state that has just dealt with what massachusetts is contemplating right now, the prospect of replacing a long-time senator, is the state of south carolina. today south carolina governor nikky
, is what seems like the inevitability now that the next united states secretary of state is going to be massachusetts democratic senator john kerry. nbc news has been able to confirm that senator kerry will be nominated for that job by president obama likely sometime this week. senator kerry is not expected to face significant opposition in the senate. if he does become secretary of state, that, of course, would mean a special election in massachusetts for his senate seat. that has to happen...